On To the Point, we try to make sense of the policy debates and the political sideshows on the campaign trail.

Neither party's agenda really aligns with who its coalition is today.

It was the dumbest speech I have ever seen in my life of covering politics.

When people walk into a voting booth, at the end of the day, they do say,

I really should vote for someone smarter than me.

I'm Warren Alney. To the Point has you covered for the 2016 campaign. Find the To the Point

podcast on KCRW's iTunes page. From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell. I am honored to be sitting across from a man who is one of the preeminent figures in 21st century filmmaking, the writer-director highly dreamer. His films,

I'll tell you his newest film, the film that's available now, his newest film, of course, is Teza,

which we'll talk about at some point too, but he made a film that deals with PTSD, basically

the co-option of African-American culture by white culture, homelessness, income inequality,

a film that was made in 1982, and that film is ashes and embers. First of all,

thanks so much for doing this. Thank you for having me, and especially seeing you after

you helped me publicize Sankofa a long time ago.

It's still a brilliant film.

It was basically the year the film came out, Sankofa.

But this film, Ashes and Embers, to me, really always felt like almost like the black version of Chekhov.

I mean, it starts off with sort of flashbacks.

And basically the whole film is told in flashbacks.

The story of a young man who comes to Los Angeles,

who is so thrilled about becoming part of the movie business.

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