A spaceship of friendship taking off, hello, comfy dance, my, my spoonie, my wellness,

my chronically painted and ill-the-confident dance.

Welcome to another episode of Confidently and to Care the Podcast where we are absolutely

sure.

I don't know everything.

I am your host, Kelsey Dera and I am so hype, hype, hype, extra hype to introduce this

week's guest.

We've not only become friends over recent time but I was actually a fan of her work prior

to us even knowing who each other was personally and this is a chronic pain and illness episode

which I feel like so much of my audience is plagued with.

We don't do enough content around it.

That's why I'm so excited to have someone that I admire who's going to talk about it.

Let me give you her stats, Dr. Rachel Zoffness is a pain psychologist, medical consultant

and educator teaching at UCSF and Stanford, specializing in chronic pain and illness.

She lectures, excuse me, this is so important, she lectures healthcare profilers around

the world on effective pain medicine and her workbook, here it is, The Pain Management

Workbook, is an inspiration for me and one of my favorite pain books where Dr. Rachel

teaches us different methods like CBT, mindfulness and other tools that help us change our daily

habits, thoughts and emotions which can actually change our pain.

Hi Dr. Rachel, thanks for joining us.

Thank you for, dude, it was so fun finding you, you know how rare it is to find someone

who lives with chronic pain but also goes out into the world and talks about it.

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