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The Lawfare Podcast

H. R. McMaster on China

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 30 November 2020

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Jordan Schneider, the host of the ChinaTalk podcast, sat down with H. R. McMaster, President Trump's former national security advisor. They talked about his time in government; the origins of the 2017 national security strategy, which focused the U.S. government on China; how he thinks history is best applied to policymaking; and even why he considers himself to be the funkiest NSA in U.S. history.

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:33.8

The essence of strategy is to be flexible, but you need consistency in approach generally.

0:40.9

What I argue for in the book is to apply strategic empathy to ensure that we have a more sustainable

0:47.9

and consistent form policy over time.

0:50.4

The strategic empathy is a term I borrowed from a great historian named Zachary Shore and

0:54.9

it really communicates the importance of understanding the perspective of others.

1:01.2

With our friends, that's how we can work together to accomplish our common objectives

1:06.6

and for rivals and enemies and adversaries to recognize the authorship over the future

1:11.6

that they have.

1:14.0

I think that I would just make it an argument for a sustained approach to foreign policy.

1:18.0

That's really what the book is overall, not just on China but on other issues.

1:22.3

What I really hope Jordan is that foreign policy and national security should be an area

1:26.8

that we can all come together around, across the political parties and this partisan divide

1:32.9

that we've seen.

1:34.4

There has been a tendency lately, I think certainly since the 2000s, for an administration

1:40.2

to define its foreign policy mainly as an opposition to the previous administrations.

1:46.6

And I hope that we can achieve a higher degree of continuity going forward.

1:51.8

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