It was such a successful defense mechanism for me in the worst way.

And it set me back so much.

So I try to parent with this idea that what comes up in you is there.

And if you try to push things down, they'll stay.

They're there to teach you something. They're there to tell you something.

So just listen to what it is and then it'll move through.

I wanted to start off by asking considering what's been going on in the world for the past few months.

What's the latest adventure you went on with Moses and Apple?

And what have you been doing to make that time special and meaningful?

Well, as you can imagine, it's been certainly surreal for us.

And I think for the teenagers in the world, it's been.

It's been very hard for them. You know, I think they were, especially my, my son is 14, my daughter's 16.

And they were just sort of entering this phase of autonomy and agency and self exploration.

And I think at that age, you get so much of that from the world being reflected back to you.

Even if it's just, you know, I didn't know that I felt this way about this kind of food or person or, you know, they hear something and I don't know and kids here in church or I don't know it's like you go out and you, or you have an interaction with another kid that's painful and these are all such important stepping stones for growth.

And I feel bad for them. You know, I was, they started school today and they're in front of the computer all day.

And I just thought this is.

This might not be sustainable for us all as parents of kids, you know, just this.

It's very solitary in a way that is not a meditation, you know, it's like a bit punitive.

So when, when we all first went into lockdown, there was very little we could do.

And I was also impressed by how quickly they were able to, you know, kids are so resilient and they did, they were able to beat have a lot of agility around their kind of mental strength and the way they were like, OK, well, this was hard and now this is life.

And I think that's going to carry on.

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