Guru Right to Reply with Jamie Wheal

Decoding the Gurus

Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne

Social Sciences, Science, Leisure, Society & Culture

4.2 • 1.2K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2022

⏱️ 155 minutes

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Summary

Today we are joined by Jamie Wheal, who comprised a full one-third of the subjects covered on our prior "Sensemaking Cubed" episode also featuring Daniel Schmachtenberger and Jordan Hall. Jamie has kindly taken advantage of our standing offer of a right to reply to all podcast subjects and here is our conversation in its entirety.

As well as being a sometime interlocutor with Daniel and Jordan, Jamie is an author of books such as Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley, Navy SEALs and Maverick Scientists are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work and Recapture the Rapture: Rethinking God, Sex and Death In a World That's Lost Its Mind. He's the founder of the Flow Genome Project, an organisation that aspires to train ultimate human performance, and does leadership seminars and wilderness excursions with many famous organisations such as Deloitte, Red Bull, Google, Lululemon, Facebook, TD Ameritrade, Nike, and Goldman Sachs.

So, the three of us get into it a bit about that sensemaking about sensemaking video, but pretty quickly move into the issue of making sense of things more broadly, as it's transpired with fraught issues such as COVID; both in the popular social media space, and within the 'blue church' of academia.

From what we knew of Jamie, we expected to have a pleasant chat with him, and as you'll hear: it was a pleasant chat! Even if our worldview and understanding of things diverged a fair bit, there were a number of things we could agree on as well.

A big thumbs-up to Jamie for taking our (relatively scathing) coverage of the infamous video with the best of grace and, in the best tradition of what the IDW purports to do, be willing to have a frank public chat with a couple of blokes who have been highly critical of some of the people and ideas he's (somewhat) aligned with.

Our intros and outros are - as usual - quite indulgent, so be sure to take advantage of those bookmarks if you want to skip straight to the interview proper.

Enjoy!

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0:00.0	And Hello and
0:25.0	welcome to Decoded the Guru's the podcast where an anthropologist and a
0:28.0	psychologist listen to the greatest minds the world has to offer and we try to
0:31.6	understand what they're talking about.
0:33.0	I'm Professor Matt Brown.
0:35.0	This guy I'm looking at right now is Chris Kavanaugh.
0:38.0	I'm the psychologist.
0:39.0	He's the anthropologist.
0:40.0	This is Dakota the gurus.
0:41.0	Good morning, Chris.
0:42.0	Top of the morning to you, as you like to say. This is Dakota the Guru's. Good morning, Chris.
0:42.6	Top of the morning to you, as you like to say.
0:44.8	How you're feeling?
0:46.0	Wow, I'm feeling good that had very morning zoo energy.
0:50.7	I'm impressed.
0:52.0	You got the whole spill correct. You added in personalizations, off the wall, references. That was great.
1:00.0	Yeah. All the jigsaw piece puzzles were there, puzzle pieces were there.
1:05.6	Piece puzzles, puzzle,
1:06.7	and hopefully.
1:08.2	It's finished night.
1:10.2	We're back to normal. No, but I'm feeling good this morning.
1:14.0	I had my swim and I've been swimming pretty regularly recently,
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