From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment, the home edition. I'm Elvis Mitchell. And my guest, who knows the show

by now so well, he doesn't even need me

for it, but who needs me for anything is Guillermo, I'm sorry, forgive me, Academy Award

winner, Guillermo Del Toro. Guillermo's new film as director and co-writer is the adaptation

of William Lindsay Gresham's classic novel, Nightmare Alley. G Guillermo, thanks for being here. And I think it's funny because I'm sure people are telling you,

this is departure for you.

But for me, I think of it basically is another monster movie.

It is.

It's a strange.

It's actually a confirmation of everything I've been doing so far,

which is repeating over and over again on every movie.

The real monster are the humans.

And this just confirms that visually and narratively,

the movie has so many straight connections with the rest of my filmography.

But what is great for me, what is pleasant for me,

is all of my life.

And you and I have discussed this and discussed the hard, hard-boiled literature.

I've been a noir literature and film fan.

And in fact, I, for a minute or two, my first movie was not chronos, maybe, but an adaptation of a Mexican noir called There Will Be No Happy Ending,

you know, which was a great novel. And I've been pursuing this possibility, and it became real

and possible after a shape of water song, jumped into it. Well, gosh, I mean, there's so much to

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