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We are back for Do This Not That, and I could not be more excited about who is here. I'm being so real.

So let me tell you who is here and then why I'm so excited. So Eileen Wilder is here. Now,

you may know Eileen Wilder because she's one of the biggest names out there speaking about sales

and about how to get people going and all this stuff. But let me tell you really why she's here. There's very few times that I go to a session and see somebody speak that, and that's not just because I'm not like some great speaker or whatever, but usually I go to a session. I'm like, this is so boring. And I do a fake phone call and I want to get out of the room because I can't take it.

And I didn't know who Eileen was.

I'm sitting in this room and she gets up to speak.

And it blew my mind. She is on she's like on the Mount Rushmore of public speakers of anybody that I've ever seen speak.

And we're going to talk today about all of that.

But her story is so inspiring because she didn't like come up the ranks, like, I'm gonna be a public speaker and I'm gonna teach people how to sell and do all this stuff. She has the most wild background. And for anybody out there that's like, you know what, I'm stuck in this one thing. I can never do something else I lean is here to tell you

otherwise she went from being a pastor for 20 years okay and she pivoted and

within just two years she had a multi million dollar business who can do that

I lean can do that she's here I'm so can do that. She's here. I'm so excited. Welcome to the show.

Thank you, Jay. I'm so pumped to be here. It's so fun.

All right. So, so I did a horrendous job of explaining who you are because I got very excited.

I was all over the place. Can you tell everybody who you are and how Eileen became Eileen?

Yes.

Well, primarily, I help people crush it from stage, not be boring, and install a virtual event to accelerate sales now.

But close to 40, I was a pastor, like you said, and I was pastor, but I was also super broke.

So I was living in an apartment, a two-bedroom apartment three kids my husband was Uber driving just five

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