This is Free Thought Radio on Air America with your host, Dan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor.

Imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you try.

No hell below us.

Above us only sky imagine all the people

living for today Hello heathens I'm Annie Laurie Galore.

And hello all you non-believing pagans.

I'm Dan Barker, your friendly neighborhood atheist.

And this is Free Thought Radio.

We're broadcasting and streaming live from Air America.

And this show, Free Thought Radio, is a production of the Freedom from Religion Foundation,

a national organization of non-believers, atheists, agnostic, secular humanists,

other types of non-believing pagans who educate the public about what it is like to be a non-believer

in this predominantly religious culture,

and we also work to keep state and church separate.

Which is very important these days.

There was a kid who was doing really bad in math in the public schools, so the dad said,

let's try it putting you into the religious school, the Catholic school, to see if they're any better.

So the kid came home from school and with really good grades in math. And the dad said, what happened? Your math grades were horrible last month. And now they're at math grade. They're really improving a lot. What are they doing at that Catholic school? And the kid said, well, the first day I was there, I saw what they did to students who performed very badly in math. The first day I walked into that building, I saw that guy that

they nailed to the plus sign. Well, speaking of crosses, our guest later in the program is a vet

and an atheist, and he'll talk about the ongoing battle, an nearly 20-year battle,

to remove a giant cross from the publicly owned Mount Soledad Mountain in San Diego. And there's

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