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Tides of History

Guerrilla Warfare and Insurgency in the American Civil War: Interview with Professor Andrew Fialka

Tides of History

Wondery / Patrick Wyman

Documentary, Society & Culture, History

4.86.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 July 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

We usually think of the American Civil War as a conflict fought between massive armies at famous battlefields like Gettysburg, but that's not really accurate: Much of the war was actually made up of guerrilla attacks, insurgencies, and the kind of violence between neighbors that wouldn't be out of place in seminars on the US in Iraq and Afghanistan. Professor Andrew Fialka joins me to discuss his fascinating new book, a graphic history of guerrilla violence in the Civil War, and to correct our misperceptions of this crucial era.

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0:00.0

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0:12.6

Hi, everybody.

0:17.7

From Wondery, welcome to another episode of Tides of History.

0:20.5

I'm Patrick Wyman.

0:21.5

Thanks so much for joining me today.

0:24.3

Probably like a lot of you who are listening to this right now, I have always been fascinated by the American Civil War.

0:30.7

Watching Ken Burns' documentary when I was five is probably, for being honest about it,

0:35.2

what set me on the course to being a historian in the first place. I got into an argument with a park ranger at Gettysburg when I was eight, and again,

0:42.2

if we're being honest, it's all been downhill since then. But the Civil War is a really big,

0:47.5

sprawling, and complicated topic. As the years have gone on, I've realized how much my obsessed

0:53.2

kid brain missed about the conflict.

0:55.6

Whole aspects of the war were just invisible to me because they're not the most popular

0:59.5

fodder for depictions of the period as a whole.

1:02.5

The Civil War in the border states bore very little resemblance to the huge set-piece

1:07.1

battles we tend to think to find it, And it was every bit as important to how people

1:10.8

experienced the conflict as Antita Morghettysburg. Today's guest has written an absolutely

1:17.2

fascinating and innovative new book on one of the most overlooked aspects of the Civil War.

1:22.8

Dr. Andrew Fialke is Associate Professor of History at Middle Tennessee State University, and he

1:27.8

specializes in the Civil War, Reconstruction, and Guerrilla Warfare. His new book,

1:32.7

featuring illustrations by Anderson Carman, is entitled, Hope to Never See It, a graphic

1:37.3

history of guerrilla violence during the American Civil War. It's unlike any other academic

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