Nobody's giving us a hiding like that, but they deserve it. They play the right way and they enjoy their football.

They do mesmerise you with their passing it and we really never did control messy.

In my time as a manager, it's the best team I faced. Well,

welcome to It Was What It Was with me, Rob Draper and with Jonathan Wilson. And that was Sir Alex

Ferguson on Barcelona in 2011, Pep Guardiola, Barcelona. I imagine Jonathan, that was after

the famous Champions League final at Wembley. And this episode is on, it's not quite on demise of Pep Guardiola,

but we're looking at how Pep Guardiola's football became so dominant in the game

and why it's waning now, if indeed it is,

and whether it's on the decline and whether we're now entering a new era.

And in the second part, we'll be looking at what's going to replace it and looking at the rise of the Basque coaches.

So all that in store for you over this week. I'm very exciting.

Jonathan set us up. Your bit of total football and pep expert.

That quote, presumably, he was after that.

Champions League final at Wembley was it, which really was kind of, wasn't quite Pete Pep Guardiola because there was many more years to come after that, but that was a moment where I think they absolutely swept aside Manchester United, 3-1 that day, but it felt like it could have been 5-6-1 and it was a good Manchester United side and you felt like gosh football has changed this has reinvented the world yeah I think that's exactly right I actually would think it is peak pep I think that was the moment where you know united lost 3-1 were well-beaten three-one and my sense leaving wembley that night was god unite got away with that that that could have been really embarrassing for them. And I think, you know, what Ferguson says backs that up. I think Wayne

really has talked about it as well. The fact the United even got back into that game that really equalized, it just, you know, Barcelona was so mature in control. Now, we'd seen that to an extent in 2009, but I think 2011 was the real sort of apogee of that.

And of course, yeah, they'd was the real sort of apogee of that.

And of course, yeah, they'd had the defeat to enter in the semi-final in between time

where, I don't want to say, Inde didn't deserve it, because that wouldn't be quite right.

But where it was obvious that Barcelona, with this dominant form there to be shot at, you know,

that the Inter with the sort of rebels storming the citadel.

Yeah, Jose Marino's Inter, we should say.

So it really felt like a clash of cultures at the time, didn't it,

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