Grusch vs Clapper, The Age of Disclosure & the Growing Divide in UFO Disclosure
That UFO Podcast
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4.7 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 11 January 2026
⏱️ 72 minutes
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Summary
At the start of 2026, the UFO disclosure conversation appears more fractured than ever. Andy is joined by journalist and Psicoactivo podcast host Pavel to break down David Grusch’s recent comments on The Age of Disclosure, his criticism of senior intelligence figures, and the growing divide within the disclosure movement itself. From insider testimony and documentary narratives to experiencers, biologics, and public readiness, this episode explores where disclosure stands and where it may be heading next.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast. |
| 0:13.4 | My name as always is Andy and for this kind of news round up and I'll look at the beginning of |
| 0:18.0 | 2026 which is already strange, exciting, frustrating, all of the above, and we're what, 10 days in. |
| 0:25.9 | I've got the wonderful Pavel from the Sicoactivo podcast. |
| 0:29.2 | Pavel, welcome back, mate. |
| 0:30.4 | Thank you for having me again, Andy. |
| 0:32.6 | We should do this a series now. |
| 0:35.0 | We should get you on more often. |
| 0:37.0 | Listen, honestly, Pavel, I like having you on because I don't agree with everything you say on the topic and I think that's incredibly healthy. It's not just a case of we both think the same things and you're pretty outspoken on X. You're happy to go in and say, no, I don't agree with that or do you know what? I've got this opinion, it might not be popular, but it is what it is, and I like that. And I also appreciate you're as cold as me because you're sitting there with your jacket and I'm in the shed with a heated blanket where what, there's like an eight-hour time difference between us here, but we are both I'm like minus six I think in the Oh no you're you're way too much bro |
| 1:13.1 | And we're talking between is here but we are both I'm I'm like minus six I think in the oh no you're you're |
| 1:11.8 | way too much bro I and we're talking Celsius I'm like 10 9 Celsius right now which is |
| 1:18.9 | oh god that's tropical that is tropical for you it's I would have shorts shorts and t-shirt |
| 1:24.5 | sunglasses on like suntan lotion I burn Scottish people burn I live near the desert and near the beach, so it shouldn't be this called. I don't know. Yeah, it's the controlling the weather, probably. I mean, a joke, but you never know. I'll stick that on the YouTube title and maybe it'll get a few more thousand views. Andy and Pavel, who's controlling the weather, UFOs, or someone else? |
| 1:45.8 | The flat earthers. I'm kidding. Yeah, the flat earthers and the Sasquatch people are controlling the weather. This will be fantastic for the algorithm. If we just hit all the... I said this last week where I was like, if I just hit like 6-7 Kardashians, Taylor Swift, Minecraft, Roblox |
| 2:00.1 | early on |
| 2:00.6 | it'll just like |
| 2:01.7 | 12 million views |
| 2:02.8 | overnight folks |
| 2:03.5 | Oh yeah |
| 2:03.9 | um six, seven, Kardashians, Taylor Swift, Minecraft, Roblox early on. It'll just like 12 million views |
| 2:02.8 | overnight, folks. Oh, yeah. But there's a lot to talk about, Pavel. There is a lot. And even more so |
| 2:08.4 | since I asked you to come on. So you cover stuff on a real regular daily basis. You know, |
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