We're talking here about skeptics and pseudo-scepticism.

What for you as a skeptic then?

Because I think if you say it in modern times,

skeptics for the UFO topic that come to mind immediately for most

would be

Mick West, Neil deGrasse Tyson and the likes.

What for you as a skeptic and what differentiates healthy skepticism to going to the extreme?

Yeah, I think it's a professional branch.

So with Minzel, I was able to say it's counterintelligence. I mean, it looks pretty obvious that after he was briefed and brought in, he just took his textbook. And that was the other thing he was doing during World War, too, is they knew it was going to be a total war effort. Sorry to go back in history a little bit again, but they knew it was going to be a total war effort.

And they knew women would be involved in the war, right?

So they knew it was the Rosie, the Riveter.

They had, in the Navy, they had waves that they called them,

which was an acronym for the women that were active on the Navy side.

They had what they called code girls that were doing the punch card computing.

And Menzel, the first thing he did was teach classes of cryptanalysis and cryptography to women

at the women colleges that were sister colleges of all the Ivy Leagues on the East Coast there.

So at part of Rudy, he started heading up with one with Radcliffe College,

and then they added basically nine or 12 other colleges. And that's again in the book,

Code Girls, and it's also in that Craig Bauer article. And so he was doing that. And then from that,

in the book, it's like, okay, if you're sending signals, you need to also send deceptive signals.

And you have to do these deceptive practices to trick the enemy to think that you're going to attack or you're not going to attack and just basic, you know,

Sun Su, art of war type stuff.

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