Growth Until Not | Frankly #7
The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
Nate Hagens
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🗓️ 9 September 2022
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
Earlier this week there was a livestream debate highlighting the key points of the Green Growth and DeGrowth perspectives - this week's Frankly adds a 3rd 'growth critical' perspective - that modern society has a metabolism and momentum and will grow - in non-green ways - until we can't. This is a critical third category that should be included in these discussions, despite its 'tougher sell'.
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| 0:00.0 | Good morning. Time for another frankly. I would like to do more Franklies. I have both a fiduciary and an anxious feeling about these Franklies because as world events |
| 0:25.6 | gravitate towards the great simplification |
| 0:30.6 | telling the truth will undoubtedly be risky. |
| 0:40.3 | I prefer to be a Monday morning internet quarterback where I can watch people's speeches and the news and just reflect and talk to my friends. |
| 0:44.3 | But simultaneous with that, I want to help society, |
| 0:49.3 | or at least I intend to help society with both awareness and suggestions for responses. |
| 0:58.1 | So I feel compelled to say uncomfortable things. |
| 1:02.9 | And I will continue to do so, especially with timely things in the news. |
| 1:08.7 | This week I watched an important debate between Jason Hickle talking about degrowth and |
| 1:17.0 | Sam Fankhouser talking about green growth, moderated by Kate Rayworth with some fantastic |
| 1:24.6 | visual aids. |
| 1:33.3 | I think what wasn't discussed in this debate is a third concept, a third scenario, and in reality a third rail, |
| 1:38.3 | which is the end of growth. |
| 1:41.3 | So not something that will be green and tech driven, not something that will voluntarily |
| 1:48.8 | democratically reduce production, but something that out of momentum and running out of cans to |
| 1:58.0 | kick, we will be faced with a sharp drop in the size of our economies. |
| 2:03.0 | And this is an uncomfortable thing to state. |
| 2:06.0 | But I think it's also a really important thing to state because it empowers individuals |
| 2:13.0 | and communities to maybe ignore the consensus trance of what society is telling us the future |
| 2:19.9 | is going to be and change their mindset, change their behaviors, change their ethos, |
| 2:26.5 | change their networks because I don't think society will en masse change. |
| 2:33.4 | So I watched this debate with interest. |
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