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You're listening to The Nocturnous, stories from the world of medicine. I'm Emily Silverman.

Some people are close to their parents, but how close is too close?

We want to love and support each other as we transition from one phase of life to the next,

but we also want the freedom to evolve as individuals, to make our own choices and build

our own families.

In today's story, psychiatrist Carson Brown explores the idea of adulthood and what it means

to arrive there, sometimes much later in life than one might expect.

In the conversation that follows, Carson and I talk about motherhood, the pain of separating

from our children, and the diverging philosophies of

Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung, two giants in the world of psychology.

Carson is a psychiatrist in Minneapolis who specializes in anxiety, depression, codependency,

and trauma. She incorporates somatic practices, dream work, and guided meditation into her practice.

She went to UCSF for medical school and did her residency training at San Mateo County,

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