Hi, everybody. I'm Brittany Lewis, a reporter here at Forbes. Joining me now is my Forbes colleague,

staff writer John Hyatt. Don, thanks so much for joining me. Thanks for having me, Brittany.

For years now, there have been so many questions surrounding the case of disgraced sex offender

Jeffrey Epstein, who was found dead in jail in 2019 after being charged

with sex trafficking minors. People demanded the release of more files pertaining to Epstein,

including a supposed client list. But at the beginning of July, the DOJ released a memo saying

there was no client list. Epstein died by suicide and that they weren't going to release any more

documents, and that was met with a lot of criticism.

Beginning in June, and this was before the DOJ released that memo, Elon Musk got in a fight with Donald Trump and he posted this on X.

Quote, time to drop the really big bomb.

Real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.

That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT. And that post was later deleted. And then Elon Musk said,

you know, walked some things back, said he went too far on some post and made some apologies.

But now Elon Musk has waited back into the Epstein conversation.

So can you talk to us about that?

Yeah.

In some ways, Elon Musk really lit the flame for the furor

that we've seen in the Magaverse around the Trump administration's refusal to release

the Epstein files.

That tweet in June,

uh, sort of kick started a larger crusade on X, encouraging voices, uh, on the right,

in the middle, on the left, uh, who are raising awareness around Donald Trump's

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