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Thank you for listening to the Allender Center podcast. I'm Dr. Dan Allender. And I'm Rachel Clinton

Chen. We're fiercely committed to providing hope and healing to a fragmented world. And restoration

for the heart. Thank you for joining us. Let's get this conversation started. Rachel, let's just admit that dealing with grief and gratitude with regard to our spouses, our partners, our children,

this is another one of those.

I want to step back and go, why don't you just take this?

Because what we're really beginning to talk about is how we allow our own hearts to enter into disappointment and to some degree disillusionment in a way that

opens our heart to greater grief, but also the potential for greater gratitude. So to step back

and to say, what we've attempted to cover is that grief, much like a colander, sifts out

sorrow and leaves with it in so many ways the substance of our heart being more open,

or at least the potential to be more open, because grief is a form of emptying.

But it also moves us forward, in one sense, seeking that which our hearts are most meant for,

and therefore being open to receiving from others, ultimately from the goodness of God,

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