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Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Primal Blueprint.com. Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Primal Blueprint Podcast. Very special guest today. An incredible

author, Gretchen Rubin. She is the author of several books, including the Blockbuster New York

Times bestsellers, Better Than Before, the Happiness Project, Happier at Home, the Four

Tendencies, and a new one coming

out, Outer, Order, Inner Calm.

And we're going to talk about a bunch of those.

She has an enormous readership, both in print and online.

Her books have sold more than 3.5 million copies worldwide in over 30 languages.

And she also has a weekly podcast,, happier with Gretchen Rubin,

where she discusses good habits and happiness with her sister Elizabeth Kraft. Welcome to the show.

I'm so happy to be talking to you. So you are really a prolific writer, and you're putting out

so much good self-development, juicy content out there for us.

How did you get into this?

Where did you start with your journey here as an author?

Well, I started my career in law, and I was actually clerking for Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor when I realized that I actually wanted to be a writer.

So first, I had to switch to writing. And I wrote several books

before The Happiness Project, which came out 10 years ago, which is probably the book. Many people

think that was my first book, because like many people, it took me 10 years of hard work to become an

overnight sensation. That wasn't my first book. That was my fourth book.

And then everything after that has been very much, very explicitly about happiness,

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