Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

So do join me Rob Briden wherever you get your podcasts.

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Our Panic is a new comedy podcast from Wondery that leans into our most absurd anxieties and

defuses them with humor and actual advice. Listen to Don't Panic on the Wondery app or

wherever you get your podcasts.

We're breaking with format slightly this time because our guest is not here to talk

primarily about meditation. Her name is Gretchen Ruben. You may know her from her mega

bestselling book The Happiness Project after that she wrote a book called Better Than Before.

A couple of things about Gretchen. One, she's just awesome and has been so helpful to me

almost irrationally so way before my book came out she gave me all this advice and was

just really, really, really, really helpful. And she then when I was starting this podcast,

I basically imitate her. She wrote a book, I wrote a book then she started a podcast.

So I started a podcast and when I was trying to figure out how to do this thing, she

actually came on as our first guest which actually can go back and listen to if you scroll

through the feed on the podcast. And at the time what we talked about was her then current

book called Better Than Before which was all about how we make and break habits which is

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