Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

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So this time we're doing something a little different. We recorded this podcast that you're

about to hear. It was actually our pilot episode with Gretchen Ruben who's the author of

a bunch of bestselling books including The Happiness Project and also Better Than Before.

We recorded this as a bit of an experiment before the podcast was really officially up

and running because we wanted to see if there was any there there.

So what you're about to hear is that we kind of messed up with the audio quality is actually

sub-optimal but it's good enough for you to tell it's not going to be annoying to listen

to but it's just not as good as we wanted it to be so we initially posted it and then

pulled it down because the audio quality wasn't awesome but but Gretchen is really smart

and just brimming with practical solutions to make your life better.

So we wanted to post it again because I think I think you're going to enjoy it.

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