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Greg Kokel is a Christian apologist. He's a radio talk show host, a speaker, an author,

and he's the founder of the Christian apologetics organization, Stand to Reason. Greg's also an adjunct professor of apologetics at Biola University, and he's a good friend of mine. Greg, so thankful to have you here on the set of takeaways. Unbelievable. And the last time we met together was in front of a fire in your backyard last year sometime. That's right.

So it's great to be able to chat again. It is, it is great to be able to chat. I'm so thankful

for you and all of the great resources that you've given the family of faith, your books, tactics,

and the story of reality. These are things that I have read and have helped me in my conversations

trying to communicate truth to people and discern truth myself when I hear things from other people.

One of the things I love about getting together with you is that you just help me to think clearly.

And I've seen you in debates with Deepak Chopra and others and you're firing back and forth across the table.

Some people get really emotional and fired up.

I tend to get a little zesty in my conversations.

But you're just so calm, cool, and collected back there.

You're like, I don't know, just like this,

you're like a mental Navy seal or something.

And I just think, this is, I've never heard of it that way, but yeah.

Inside, there's a lot going on, of course.

Inside, that's right. Still waters run deep.

You know, it's interesting. I think people don't realize that being calm, disciplining yourself in a tough situation like that is not only good manners when you're talking with somebody in a controversial issue, but it's actually effective on the people that are listening because it conveys confidence. And we have all the good

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