Great Environmental Shocks in History | Darkness at Noon - The Justinianic Plague | 2
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🗓️ 17 March 2026
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A sudden, catastrophic dimming of the sun in 536 AD triggered the coldest decade in two millennia, launching a "volcanic winter" that saw harvests fail from Ireland to China. Peter and Afua explore this environmental shock that directly facilitated the first global pandemic of Yersinia pestis, shattering the imperial ambitions of Rome and Persia while paving the way for the explosive rise of Buddhism and Norse mythology.
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| 0:00.0 | Last time on Legacy, we looked at the way that volcanoes linked to the demise of Cleopatra |
| 0:05.6 | and the rise of the Roman Empire. We talked about butterfly effects, ecosystem changes, |
| 0:10.4 | and how seemingly small events can have massive impact. |
| 0:14.0 | Is the butterfly effect a concept that is widely accepted in scholarly circles, Peter? |
| 0:20.1 | Is it legitimate the idea that a really tiny, although a volcano isn't tiny, |
| 0:26.5 | but just let's say it is a tiny phenomenon, can have ripple effects that end up with massive impacts elsewhere? |
| 0:33.0 | Is that something that's taken seriously in academic circles? |
| 0:36.5 | Academic circles, we argue about everything. So you can argue about the name in quantum |
| 0:41.9 | physics is about major impacts of small signifiers. So I think that most historians would |
| 0:47.6 | understand that there can be single events that have catastrophic impacts. I guess the most |
| 0:52.9 | famous one in all history, |
| 0:54.4 | certainly in Europe, |
| 0:55.4 | is the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. |
| 0:57.8 | The Archduke of Sarajevo, |
| 0:59.5 | which I remember in my school history lessons |
| 1:02.3 | was kind of described as like the spark |
| 1:05.5 | that lit the tinder fire |
| 1:07.7 | whose flames then spread into the First World War. |
| 1:11.6 | And you'll be hard pushed to find a historian who'll agree with you, right? |
| 1:15.6 | Even though there is some truth in it, it's all about the underlying themes, etc., etc. |
| 1:19.6 | So normally it's about trying to find an event that does, the Tinder is more important in lots of ways than the spark. |
| 1:25.6 | I guess what historians would say, |
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