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Visit Gentex.com to check out the latest in digital vision, connected car, and dimmable glass technologies. Hello, Welcome to the Shift Mobility Podcast. I am Pete Bigelow, your host and reporter at the automotive news.

Leslie is on the road this week, so I'm flying solo. Next week it is my turn to venture out. I'm headed to Albuquerque to check out the autonomous

truck technology that Daimler and Torqu robotics have been collaborating on in Albuquerque

for I guess the better part of two years now.

Also, while on there, I'm going to be checking out some of the ongoing

research into hydrogen that originated at Los Alamos National Laboratory a long time ago

and is now finding its way to startups in the region that think that they can have a big impact on the future of transportation.

So, stay tuned for my... on the future of transportation.

So stay tuned for my dispatches from New Mexico.

But this week, today, here right now,

I am joined by our guest this week,

Grazin Brilty, Mobility Innovation Strategist

and Principal at his Florida-based consulting firm,

Brilty and Company.

Grayson and I first talked probably about two years ago when he put a bug in my ear about the lack of creativity he saw in the autonomous driving space which which was then, you know, very much focused on robot taxis.

They're doing it mostly wrong, he told me. Rather than focus on no frills,

utilitarian,

sometimes shared rides,

companies should be looking at providing

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