Let's stop fighting about the right way to do this, which is what I see everybody doing over and over and over and over and start talking about the big elephant in the room.

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become an ignited hero? Hello everybody and welcome to today's episode of the Ignited Recovery Secrets podcast.

I'm Dr. Adi Jaffe.

So happy to be here with you today.

And I wanted to start out by talking about an article in the Wall Street Journal that is titled

A Sober Curious Movement Builds Online, Targeting Gray Area Drinking.

Great article all about essentially what it is that we've been doing at

Ignited for a number of years now. Sadly, we were not in it. So Wall Street Journal, if you're

paying attention, please reconnect. And we can do a do-over. But some of our good friends are

there. So Hollywood, from Tempest, Annie Grace, from this naked mind.

And the article talks about, as I mentioned, sober curious as now this gray area drinking

supporter. Now, there are a couple of things that I wanted to say about that. And first is that

while it's unfortunate that for some of the people involved in this

moment, they were a little late in coming to the game, realizing that there's something

outside of pure abstinence.

And I don't know to what extent the abstinence myth book helped them.

I know I met Annie Grace at a harm reduction conference when she had no idea yet that there

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