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Welcome to another edition of The West End, guests from across the world Leeds United with me. Dan Moyland with me is Michael Normanton. You're right? I'm well, thank you. Are you looking forward to engaging the services of saley.com? I am. I've got it all down there. I'm ready to go on it. I'm poised. Yeah. Do you know what I'm going to be doing? Not paying for data, Adam, on holiday.

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you've found you've installed. So good folks. Works on iOS and Android, I believe. It does. I'm an Android.

Yeah, and it's the newer phones.

If you've got a slightly older phone,

you've found you've installed the app,

and then you've bought some data and it doesn't work. They'll just refund you because they're nice people, like that, which is good. Saly.com forward slash the squareball link in the episode description, as I mentioned. Today's guest is Graham Smith, dialing in from Germany.

How are things over there, Graham?

Yeah, good. Good. That's good. guest is Graham Smith, dialing in from Germany. How are things over there, Graham?

Yeah, good. Good. That's as good. That's about all as good. Is that how they say it? That's

about the extent of my German. Yeah, it's fine. It's very German. It's very secretive.

Even though everyone knows exactly where we are, we're not allowed to say where we are. Where are you? Germany. Damn, he's so clever. Shows around the room. Go on. If you're on the video, I mean, not much we can identify there from the background. Yeah. There'll be some people on the internet who'll find out. It'll look up like wallpapers and stuff and be able to work it.

It would be the shadows. They'd work out the direction of the shadows and the time that it is and they'd work out exactly where I was. What'd you actually do then when you're out there? Obviously, there was a game Tuesday as we recorded this yesterday. So were you allowed to go to that or was that a secret?

No, we were allowed to go to that.

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