Hello and welcome to another episode of Iway with Jimmy Ligamel. I hope you're well. I am

really really happy to hear how uplifting so many of you found last week's episode with Gina.

I'm pretty confident that there have to be moments of release and relief for all of us amongst all the

shit that we hear for women where we hear empowered women talk about their struggles but also talk

about how they've overcome them and give us inspiration to carry on and to break new ground and

to open doors for other women and this we find bringing you yet another dose of that same energy.

There's such a fabulous guest such an unusual woman. I've gotten to know her in the last sort of

six months and was so excited to have her on this podcast because I think, you know, as I'm kind of

suggesting hers is the energy that we need currently. She is someone who has had such an

interesting relationship with shame and who is kind of still finding her way out of it and

talking us through that journey in this episode and just being so strikingly blunt about truly

every thought in her head about some subjects. She says things in this episode that very few women

especially would feel safe to say publicly and I rate her so much for it and it's why I find her

to be such a fucking breath of fresh air. She is a comedian. She is an excellent, excellent writer

and I keep her book by my bedside table. It's called Amazing Disgrace. Her name is Grace Campbell

and she is going to be one of your new favourite voices out there in the world. She's fucking hysterical

on Instagram and she's going to be performing a big comedy show at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival.

There's August so if you happen to be going there, check out Grace Campbell but we talk about her trauma,

her relationship with men, what that's done to them and also something that I feel like we don't

talk about enough which is that sometimes even if we are out there being told to be

fucking girl bosses and boss bitches and I don't need a man and heteronormativity is so embarrassing

and there's nothing more embarrassing than being heterosexual and you know we just want our

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