I mean, I think it's pretty unique at Open AI to be able to work on something that's so generally useful. I mean, it's like everything they tell you not to do at a startup is just like your user as anyone. You just kind of take it for granted that you literally have this like wizard in your pocket. We're trying to make the most capable thing and we're also trying to make it useful to as many people as possible and accessible to as many people as possible. I think we hear this with GPT5 internally when people are testing and they're like,

oh, I thought I asked like a really hard question. I feel like a little bit insulted that it's

after like two seconds or like when it doesn't even want to think at all.

Today's episode was recorded the day GPT5 launched, a major milestone not just for Open AI, but for the entire

AI ecosystem. Joining me in the studio, fresh off the launch live stream, where three people

were instrumental in making this model a reality. Christina Kim, researcher at OpenAI, who leads

the core models team on post-training, Isa Fulford, researcher at OpenAI, who leads deep research and the

chat GPT agent team on post-training, and A16Z general partner, Sarah Wang, who's helped lead

our investment in Open AI since 2021.

We talk about what's new in GPT-5, from major leaps in coding and creator writing to meaningful

improvements in reasoning, behavior, and trust. We also get into training,

RL environments, and why data quality is more important than ever. We also cover agents,

what that word actually means, the paradigm shift for async workflows, and the golden age for

the idea guys. Let's get into it. As a reminder, the content here is for informational purposes only. Should not be taken as legal

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So slow news day. Not much going on for you guys. Thank you for, thank you for coming out. No, obviously, you know, Tina, you were just on the live stream. We're recording a day of. Congratulations. Thank you. For those who are unfamiliar, why don't you introduce what you guys do at open air? Yeah. I'm Christina. I lead the core models team on post training. I'm Issa. I lead the deep research, like chat GPT agent team on post training.

And Tina, you've been here for, or you've both been here for a while now.

Tina, what you want you to be a little bit of your history at the company?

Yeah, I've been on opening eye for about four years now.

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