Government Use of Open-Source Information
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🗓️ 26 January 2024
⏱️ 57 minutes
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In front of a live audience at the Knight Foundation's INFORMED conference in Miami, Florida, Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes spoke with Hon. Kenneth L. Wainstein, Under Secretary for Intelligence and Analysis at the Department of Homeland Security; Jameel Jaffer, Executive Director of the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University; and Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic about government surveillance of open source social media.
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| 0:30.0 | Here's the problem with that authority. I mean, do I want it? In many ways |
| 0:38.4 | and no, I don't want it because it's a hot potato. It's incredibly difficult, |
| 0:41.4 | but it has to be done. And at the end of day it's our job and so we just have to do it effectively |
| 0:47.0 | Effectively in terms of you know preventing violence and threats against our people |
| 0:52.5 | also effectively in a way that protects people's privacy |
| 0:55.3 | and civil liberties. |
| 0:56.5 | And here's the problem. |
| 0:57.6 | I mean, when you think about it, |
| 0:59.1 | our mission, in fact, our limited mission is to look online for social media that might relate to threats |
| 1:11.4 | to the homeland, which is our intelligence space. |
| 1:14.0 | And we can only either go to publicly available information |
| 1:18.0 | or we have to be overt about it. |
| 1:20.0 | So we can't lie about who we are and get into a private chat room. We can't do that. |
| 1:25.5 | We're very constrained in where we can go. And the ironic thing is that each one of you can be much more effective in doing this than we can because |
| 1:35.1 | you don't have those constraints. Private individuals, private organizations can do |
| 1:39.8 | a lot more than we can in the open environment. I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the |
| 1:46.7 | Law Fair Podcast. |
| 1:49.7 | We are coming to you from the Knight Foundation's informed conference in Miami, Florida. |
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