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This is

this is Shatter. I'm Scott R Anderson. This week authors Kelly and

Zach Wienersmith on their book exploring the pros and cons of space

settlement, a city on Mars. The explicit purpose of settlements is to have families and generations living in space.

And so you're going to be getting exposed to radiation, you know, from the moment you are an egg in your mom's body all the way

through to the end of your life.

And that's a lot of time to be exposed to radiation.

It's dangerous to underestimate the psychological effect of space activity on Earth, like the day after Sputnik.

Both Eisenhower and Khrushchev failed to anticipate the huge PR effect.

I do think, you know, if tomorrow China revealed that they had three dudes hanging out in a

base on Shackleton Crater, I think there would be a pretty non-trivial Western response.

There is some water on the moon, and it's trapped in these craters so the premium

real estate in the place that we're most likely to start learning about how to do

settlement is very small and now getting into international law the rules about what you can do are very vague.

Kelly and Zach we're thrilled to have you here on Chatter today to talk about this very interesting book that combines science and

cartoons and the law in outer space and many of my favorite things.

And the law part is kind of a surprise like this is a law book in substantial part at least the last third or half is about international law in particular like as I was

reading and I read an excerpt from the Montevideo Convention of 1933 I think I swooned briefly

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