Hey, everybody. It's my honor to have this my guest, a Alex

Aronson. Just wrote this book, and I mean, and Alex

Aronson covered the drug industry and financial fraud as

reporter for the New York Times. He's the author of Tell Your

Children, the truth about marijuana, mental illness, and violence,

and an Edgar award-winning writing of best-selling thrillers and

a freelance journalist. He's a graduate of Yale University,

Lives in the Jersey, and he has a sub-stack account, which I urge you to go to

AlexBerenson.substackfistback.com. Alex was, when it has been one of the leaders of

the resistance throughout the pandemic, very, very

courageously, and reporting it was not looking to be a revolutionary hero.

He was a science writer who was who was trying to report truths when the whole

world was reporting wise, and he became a hero

to many of us during that period. He's a prickly character and

something of a young curmudgeon, but we're all grateful

for his service to the truth to our country, to public health.

Welcome to the show, Alex. Well, thank you for having me, and you know,

I don't know if I'm a curmudgeon, but as I say at one point in pandemia, I

you know, I don't like to get pushed around, and I have to say

having now lived through what they say about me, I, you know,

I guess I understand you a little bit better because because the stuff that

gets said is just it has nothing to do with reality, and I guess

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