Hey, everybody. It's my pleasure to have as my guest today, Edward Curtin. Edward Curtin is a

sociologist, he's a professor and that's chooses college liberal arts. He is a widely read writer.

He used to be a newsman for the Berkshire Eagle, one of the great local papers in our country.

He is a scholar of the classics of philosophy, literature and theology and sociology.

He's been a lifelong promoter of personal freedom and the American justice system and an idealized

vision for our country. Welcome, Edward. I have you. Well, it's my pleasure to be here with you,

Robert. Thank you very much. And one of the things that Edward extensively about is the role of

the intelligence agencies and essentially the demolition of the American ideal of American

freedoms and democracy. And I wanted to talk to you a little bit of that today. You wrote

an article actually mentioning my book about the role of the intelligence agencies and the

COVID crisis that I covered extensively in my book to the response to the pandemic.

I wanted to ask Arpa asking you something, did you read Dick Usle's article in the Defender

this week about the CIA control of Rolling Stone of Daily Cosm, I think, Daily Beast?

Yes, I did read it. Yes, I thought it was excellent.

Yeah, I mean, he did some extraordinary research on that. Yeah, that's true.

You've been a critic of Operation Mockingbird, which of course is the CIA's long, long history

of program to control journalism in our country and around the world by essentially compromising

journalists. Yes, I have. And actually today, December 16th, I noticed there was a scathing

article about you by an associate press writer, which I consider very clearly

part of that whole Operation Mockingbird program to attack anyone, especially anyone who

exposes, as you have in numerous ways, in your last book and in the current Fauci book,

the operations of the intelligence services, most especially the CIA. And as I've written,

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