All right, everybody. We got a double header for you today. I was planning on going deep on Tucker Carlson with my friend Jason Zengarly of the New Yorker. But obviously, the news out of Minnesota is so urgent. And I'm really grateful that we had the chance to talk to Governor Tim Walls this morning, bright and early. He was out there voting in a special election and then came straight to talk with us. And it was really a pleasure.

It was the first time I got to talk to him. Stick around for both. Segment two will be Jason

Sangerly. And up next, Governor Tim Wals.

Hello, welcome to the Bullock podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

Delighted to welcome with the show, the governor of Minnesota.

And former nominee for Vice President of the United States, it's Tim Walls.

Governor Walls, you wrote in the Wall Street Journal yesterday about the assault on Minnesota,

and I just want to start there. You know, what is the latest on the ground? Have we noticed any change since last night? Yeah, well, good to be with you, Tim, and thanks for all the coverage of this. We're really, you know, we're appreciative folks are out there. Look, I don't know how to describe it other than an assault. I've never witnessed anything like this.

And I think as good as the reporting has been,

it doesn't touch just every little issue in our children watching people get drug. I mean, everyone here has a trauma response.

And then, of course, with Renee and Alex's murder, pretty overwhelming. But I have to say,

what you witnessed was is what massive organized nonviolent

resistance did. To be very clear, there's a change in tone, and we'll see. I'm going to meet here

later today with Tom Holman. I understand Greg Bovino is gone, you know, and that's a good riddance one,

but it doesn't change the fact that the posture is still the same, that this is an unorganized, untrained, dangerous

force on the streets that has nothing to do with either immigration or law enforcement.

So I'll tell you today is there's a bit of optimism, but there's such a sense of resolve.

And I would say this is the Minnesota kind of attitude.

A lot of folks think winters over in March, Minnesotans don't let their

guard down until May. And I'm telling you, these folks that are out there on the streets,

they're very skeptical and rightfully so. So the mood is, there's a hint of hope and optimism,

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