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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Gov. Chris Sununu surveys the field

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Government, Politics

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2022

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

Gov. Chris Sununu was recently re-elected to his fourth term in office. The Republican governor has been positioning himself for the 2024 presidential primaries for a while now.  Before Election Day, there were a lot of reasons to be skeptical about his chances. He’s a New England moderate in the party of MAGA. He endorsed DONALD TRUMP twice, but he’s also been a stinging critic. And he’s pro-choice, which might be seen as a non-starter in a GOP primary. Trump’s recent decline has emboldened his potential competitors. The underwhelming results for Republicans in the 2022 midterms have led to an outbreak of interest on the right in electability.  Now Sununu is trying to define himself against not just Trump, but many of the right’s obsessions that he sees as political losers. On this week’s episode of Playbook Deep Dive, host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza went to the statehouse in Concord, NH, where Sununu was keen to discuss 2024 presidential primary politics in a way that he hasn’t recently.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Chris Sununu was just reelected governor of New Hampshire, and now he's thinking about

0:06.3

running for president.

0:08.7

Come for Sununu's trolling of Joe Biden, stay for his trolling of Rhondas Antis.

0:17.1

I'm Ryan Liza, this is Playbook Deep Dive, I have a confession, I don't really like

0:26.0

interviewing politicians.

0:28.5

Now that might sound strange for someone who works at Politico and does this for a living.

0:34.5

But let's be honest, most interviews with politicians are boring or predictable or both.

0:40.9

If you ever watch cable news, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

0:44.7

When you run for office, you're trained to treat every interview not as a real conversation

0:49.5

between two humans, but as an opportunity to deliver a message.

0:54.8

As you can imagine, this gets frustrating to journalists, so they often respond by

0:59.7

approaching interviews with the goal of knocking the politician off message.

1:05.6

This in turn annoys the politicians who complain that reporters don't really want to have

1:09.4

substantive conversations and that they're just looking for gacha moments.

1:15.2

And so each side digs in a little more and the cycle repeats.

1:19.4

So when I flew up to New Hampshire the other day to interview governor Sununu, I admit

1:23.5

that I wasn't really looking forward to it.

1:26.0

He just won his fourth two year term, but he obviously has his eye on the GOP presidential

1:31.5

nomination.

1:32.5

Sununu made national headlines last year when at a press dinner in Washington, he joked

1:38.4

that Donald Trump was quote, fucking crazy.

1:43.3

Last month after Republicans had a disappointing midterm, Sununu showed up at a Republican

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