Welcome to That Traffon Show Gordo. How are you doing?

Doing very well, thank you. Good to be here today.

It's great to have you. I know that you've been a long-time listener of the podcast and I've definitely

been following your work for a long time as well, going back all the way to the book you

co-wrote with Joe Phil and more recently your substacks have been really, yeah, I've really

been enjoying them. So it's great to finally

have a chance to chat. Can you start with introducing yourself, especially for those listeners,

it may not be familiar with you and wherever you are? Sure. So I'm 57 now. And in my mid-20s,

I didn't have an athletic or an endurance background. And in my mid-20s, I didn't have an athletic or an endurance background.

And in my mid-20s, I kind of decided, I was working as a finance guy,

decided to get myself into shape.

And eventually that led me to triathlon,

but it wasn't until my early 30s that I started doing triathlon.

And I really enjoyed it. And I took a break. What I thought was going to be a short break from my

career in finance and ultimately turned into leaving that and going into a new career in endurance sport.

And I managed to train myself up to the elite level.

And probably my best result overall was in 2004 at Iron Man Canada,

when I put up a time that was, I think it was the 10th fastest

all time at that course, but there was somebody that was a little bit quicker than me that

day, so I finished second.

So I was decent, but I wasn't really at that top five Kona level.

I was more sort of podium international race level,

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