Google CEO Sundar Pichai on the next phase of AI

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.3 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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In what's become a bit of a Decoder tradition, I spoke with Google CEO Sundar Pichai in person after I/O. The conference this year was all about AI, particularly a slew of actual AI products, not just models and capabilities. To Sundar, this marks the beginning of a new era for search and the web overall. So I had to ask: what happens to the web when AI tools and eventually agents do most of the browsing for us? It was a very Decoder conversation. Read the full transcript here. Links: Help us plan the future of Decoder! | AUDIENCE SURVEY The 15 biggest announcements at Google I/O 2025 | Verge We tried on Google’s prototype AI smart glasses | Verge AI Mode is obviously the future of Google Search | Verge News publishers call Google’s AI Mode ‘theft’ | Verge Details leak about Jony Ive’s OpenAI device | Verge DOJ says Google must sell Chrome to crack open monopoly | Verge Google Zero is here — now what? | Verge Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi is okay reinventing the bus | Decoder Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:41.6	Hello, and welcome to Decoder. I'm Nealai Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems.
0:48.2	This week, I'm talking to Google and Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai. And what's becoming a little bit of a decoder tradition, we spoke in person after the big Google I.O.
0:58.2	This is the third year in a row that Sundar's been on Decoder after I.O.
1:02.1	And this one felt really different.
1:03.9	Google's in a very confident place right now.
1:05.9	And you can really feel that in this conversation.
1:08.7	If you caught any of the news from I.O., you know why. Google announced
1:12.1	a huge new set of AI products that are shipping imminently, not just models and capabilities.
1:17.5	Sundar told me that these products represent a new phase of the AI platform shift, and we talked about
1:22.2	that at length, how that shift is playing out, what the markers of these phases are, and whether
1:26.6	any of these products can actually deliver a return on the huge investments that Google has been making an AI over
1:31.7	the years.
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