And I'm going to use. Thanks so much Professor Radica Desai for joining the Red Nation podcast. There's a lot to discuss.

But before we kind of jump into this conversation, do you want to maybe just introduce yourself to listeners? I know who you are. I've listened to your podcast. We met in Venezuela years back.

Yeah, sure. My name is Adika Vessai. I teach political studies at the University of Manitoba.

I essentially write about and teach about a range of things, but you know the politics of

certain countries I'm interested in including the UK, India, the US to some extent and so on and then also about political economy and some years ago I introduced a new way of looking at world affairs which I call geopolitical economy,

because I find that most of the dominant ways

of looking at world affairs, such as US hegemony

or globalization, tend to imagine that the whole world

is sort of a single seamless whole economically unified whole in which nation states and governments don't matter their annoying interference in a free play of markets and of course this needs to be not

only contested but its implications need to be incorporated into how we understand bond effects.

So that's me.

Yeah, there's a lot to get it.

There's a lot to unpack just even in those statements,

I think even how we think about capitalism,

typically in the West, it's often just framed as a sort of a you know a

struggle of classes but as your work demonstrates over and over again this is also entails a struggle

amongst nations.

So this gets my first question.

You have studied capitalism for decades

as part of your research.

So at the outset, I would like to lay out some basic points

of the discussion by defining some terms we throw around a bit

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