Goodbye Gareth: Ranking Southgate’s England Era
It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast
The Overlap
4.9 • 667 Ratings
🗓️ 17 July 2024
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Welcome to the latest episode of The Overlap’s football history podcast, It Was What It Was.
In this week's bonus episode, journalists Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper talk about Gareth Southgate and England's Euro 2024 tournament - which proved to be Southgate's last as the Three Lions manager.
Jonathan and Rob reflect on Euro 2024, before questioning where Southgate ranks amongst the greatest English managers - after guiding his country to two Euro finals and a World Cup semi-final after decades of underachievement.
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| 0:00.0 | Thanks for listen to. It was what it was and this special bonus edition on Garris Southgate. |
| 0:05.7 | And with a maclit timing, we recorded this about 15 minutes before Garry Southgate announced that he was stepping down as England manager. |
| 0:13.9 | And so in this episode, we're going to talk about his last ever tournament and assess that. |
| 0:18.5 | And also where he stands in the pantheon of England managers |
| 0:21.4 | and what his historical context is. |
| 0:30.4 | Garris Southgate himself admits it is time for England to win. |
| 0:34.6 | He knows the realities and there's something he told his friend, |
| 0:42.0 | the legendary journalist David Walsh, after taking the decision in the wake of the Qatar World Cup to continue until Euro 2024. I know how this is going to finish, he said. I could go out |
| 0:48.5 | on an open top bus in Trafalgar Square or in the Tower of London. I'd rather have a go and see which one it is. The only |
| 0:55.8 | failure would be to die wandering. Well, welcome to it was what it was. I'm Rob Draper. I'm here |
| 1:02.6 | of Jonathan Wilson. We've just come back from Germany and we're calling this just after a Euro |
| 1:07.4 | 2024. And England's sad defeat in the final on Sunday night to Spain. |
| 1:13.6 | We are of nothing, if not a historical podcast, but we're going to do a little bit of contemporary football today |
| 1:18.6 | and then try and place it in a historical context because this is a bonus podcast coming on the back of the euros. |
| 1:25.4 | And we thought whether England won or lost, it would be good to look at the history of England and England managers. And particularly, of course, Gareth Sonskate and where that fits because the debate has been raging about he's useless, he's brilliant, he's done this, he's done that. And we just wanted to provide a little bit of depth, I suppose, to that debate. So maybe Jonathan, can you kick us off? |
| 1:46.7 | And that quote came from the famous book, I think we should say, a book I wrote before this |
| 1:52.9 | tournament called Dear England, the real story of the Three Lines Rebirth. I wrote was Jonathan, |
| 1:58.3 | Northcroft. And, you know, really it tells the story of the Southgate |
| 2:04.4 | years and how they have kind of turned the ship around a little bit. But after the final, |
| 2:08.8 | do you think that still rings true, Jonathan, or are you a little bit disappointed with how |
| 2:14.6 | Southgate's reign has gone? I mean, there's so many questions there. |
| 2:18.8 | I think the first thing is I always find with the discourse around England, |
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