Goodbye, DEI

Campus Files

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Society & Culture, History, True Crime, Documentary

4.6 • 7.2K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Just a few years ago, colleges across the country were pouring resources into Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) programs. Today, many of those same offices are being dismantled. In some states, the pressure runs so deep that professors are stripping DEI from syllabi and renaming courses—steps they feel are necessary to avoid scrutiny, and to safeguard their jobs. For a transcript of this episode: ⁠https://bit.ly/campusfiles-transcripts⁠ Read Erin’s reporting: https://www.theassemblync.com/education/higher-education/series-nc-dei-universities-colleges-diversity-equity-inclusion/ Korie Dean contributed reporting for this episode. You can read more of her work here: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article301199094.html To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:32.7	Janique Sanders thought she was having a private conversation.
0:36.6	A woman had walked into her office at UNC Charlotte asking questions about diversity, equity,
0:42.2	and inclusion.
0:43.2	I'm just going to give you a real spill.
0:45.1	Yeah, I'm about to hide it.
0:46.0	Could I have a general feeling that you're mine?
0:49.2	This was spring 2025, just months after North Carolina had ordered its public universities to shut down their DEI programs.
0:58.2	The woman wanted to know. Was diversity work still happening on campus?
1:02.9	Janique, then assistant director of leadership and community engagement, spoke candidly.
1:08.5	So we've renamed it. We've revised it.
1:12.4	We've revised it.
1:13.7	We've recalibrated it, so to speak.
1:16.3	So equity work is still happening on campus.
1:18.8	She explained that while there were no outward DEI positions at the school,
1:23.1	there were covert opportunities.
1:25.7	If you're looking for like outward DEPI position, not have to happen.
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