All right, Marco, recently I've been thinking a lot about how ideas sort of like go from

being ideas to being things.

And like you see it happen in people's worlds, you see it there.

And it always starts, I think, with saying it out loud.

I don't know.

I think there's like such a powerful moment when you go from being like, hey, this thing's

running around in my head to then you're like, I'm actually going to say this out loud to somebody. And then you're like, oh God, I said this out loud. But it's like the most powerful thing when you do that, right? Yeah, no, I think it's a way of committing to yourself once you kind of talk to a friend or, you know, a loved one about it. Yeah,

deepens your connection to the idea and then makes you want to go forward with it. Yeah, I mean, I guess you don't want to do it too much because you're all talking, no game, but like, I think there's a certain type of person. Exactly. You got to save them. Yeah, you got to save them for the right moment. But I feel like there's a certain type of person that when they say they come up with an idea,

it's like you can watch it grow. And I'm getting, is that ever

happened to you? I mean, I think one example off the top of my head is I coach a team, climbing team here

in Oahu. And I had this idea a few years ago because I go up to Tahoe every year to be with my family and hang out and climb

and I was talking with my girlfriend one day and I was saying like, oh, you know, it'd be kind of cool

to like get the kids to Tahoe and like get them on granite and, you know, boulder outside for a week

or so. And my girlfriend, Lena, was like, yeah, you should just do that. Like, why don't you?

You know, your family has a cabin and you're lucky enough to go up there when you want. So,

just do it. So that kind of pushed me to talk to the other coaches and, you know, talk to the

families, see how interested they would be about setting their kids out to Tahoe with us, the coaches,

and some of the parents.

And then basically a few months later,

we were rolling 15 deep up in South Lake,

hopping around boulders and getting the kids on all the classics.

What was it like for a bunch of kids that are so psyched about climbing

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