Welcome back to Three Things.

Our guest today is ESPN commentator and former basketball star Jay Billis.

Jay won a national championship when he played for Duke back in the 80s,

and today he's one of the most outspoken critics of the NCAA because they do not pay college athletes,

while coaches make millions and the industry makes billions.

This is the second time Jay's been on the show.

Today, he and Rick talk a little bit about life and a lot about basketball.

Be sure to also check out his earlier episode from April 2019 to hear Jay's unique approach

to parenting and the best advice he ever got from Coach K.

This is three things with Jay Billis.

I am super excited about having Jay back in our podcast.

Jay was with us April 2019, and I'm just pumped that you're back.

So thank you for being here.

Rick, thanks for having me.

It's always a pleasure to be with you.

So a lot has changed in three years. It seemed like nothing changed for 30 years.

And then it seems like everything is changing. And it kind of feels like it's still really early.

And a lot of these things are unsettled.

For those who keep reading about the NIL and portals and all this stuff, give us a basic. What's happening? What is the systemic change

happening in the system and what has opened it up and let's dig in into it? Well, for over 100 years,

college sports was governed by something called the principle of amateurism. So athletes were supposed to be

amateur that they received no remuneration for their athletic talents beyond a

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