Golden Oldie: Iran, Hamas, and the China Problem (Robert Wright & Francis Fukuyama)
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0:00 A brief message from Bob 1:53 Why neocons like enemies 19:09 How to use power deftly 25:59 Is a nuclear Iran really all that scary? 31:31 Bob's arms-control dreams dashed again 41:18 China problem solved in under three minutes 44:03 Some cheerful thoughts about Hamas
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Francis Fukuyama (Stanford University, The End of History and the Last Man, Liberalism and Its Discontents). Recorded April 21, 2006.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, this is Bob. Now, by the time you hear this, I will have had throat surgery, |
| 0:07.2 | which as I record this is scheduled for the very end of June. So I'm not going to be recording |
| 0:12.4 | any new podcast for the next week or two. However, so vast and deep are our archives that I have any number of golden oldies to choose from in filling this void. |
| 0:28.0 | Now, today's offering is from 2006. |
| 0:32.3 | It's with Francis Fukuyama. |
| 0:35.9 | As it turned out, 2006 was not the end of history. Things kept changing. In fact, they changed a lot. It was a different era. And that's one reason I think this is very interesting to listen to. At the same time, some issues relevant to today come up, for example, would an Iran with a nuclear weapon be something really worth worrying about? |
| 0:58.9 | We discuss Hamas. |
| 1:01.0 | We discuss various things. |
| 1:03.1 | I always enjoy talking to Frank. |
| 1:05.1 | If you like this one, by the way, there's a more recent one from a couple of years ago that you can find on YouTube. |
| 1:12.9 | And I will be back in a couple of weeks. |
| 1:17.1 | Now, in the meanwhile, please, although I will be suffering from excruciating post-surgical pain, |
| 1:24.6 | do not waste any time feeling sorry for me unless that feeling compels you to go to, say, the Apple podcast site, Spotify, the podcast app of your choice, and leave a possibly favorable review for the non-zero podcast and give it five, 10, 50 stars, |
| 1:46.4 | whatever you feel like. |
| 1:48.1 | But that's optional. |
| 1:50.2 | In any event, I will be back soon. |
| 1:53.9 | Hi, friend. |
| 1:55.1 | Hey, Bob. |
| 1:55.7 | How are you? |
| 1:56.2 | Good. |
| 1:56.5 | How are you doing? |
| 1:57.2 | I'm all right. |
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