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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

Going Viral with Carl Bergstrom

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

MS NOW, Chris Hayes

Ms Now, Society & Culture, Withpod, Politics, Versant, News, Why Is This Happening?, Chris Hayes, The Chris Hayes Podcast, Msnbc, Versant Media, Government

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2020

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

There are still more questions than answers about COVID-19. While the impacts of the virus are felt in every corner of human life, there’s a desire to find a neat and clean explanation for how things got to this point. This search for causality creates an environment ripe for the spread of misinformation – conspiracy theories, premature conclusions, incomplete data- and it’s crucial to learn how to think critically about the stories being told. We invited biology professor Carl Bergstrom, author of the forthcoming book “Calling Bullshit: The Art of Skepticism in a Data-Driven World”, to talk about what we do and don’t know, what the experts are debating over, and what it means to have the first ever quarantine in the age of the internet. Come for the lesson on thinking critically about data, stay to hear about the shrimp who love to punch. RELATED: Calling Bullshit: The Art of Skepticism in a Data-Driven World by Carl Bergstrom (available for pre-order) Follow Carl Bergstrom on Twitter Go to CallingBullshit.org

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0:00.0

Computer virus is just a malicious bit of code that runs on your own hardware.

0:03.8

And that's really the same thing that a real virus, a biological virus is.

0:08.5

It's a malicious bit of code, in this case RNA that runs on your own hardware.

0:12.8

Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

0:19.5

Well, it's week two here in the podcast closet.

0:24.8

And we're getting some kinks worked out.

0:27.0

I hope the sound quality is good.

0:29.0

We were psyched with last week.

0:31.4

And I've been thinking a lot about the term something going viral, which is a term I think

0:36.6

Malcolm Gladwell basically is the person who coined that, right?

0:40.0

And it's one of those metaphors that reaches past being a metaphor to the point where it

0:44.4

just becomes what it's meaning is.

0:46.4

It's a metaphor that adopts another meaning.

0:48.1

So when we say like, oh, that went viral now, we don't think like, oh, that's actually

0:51.8

an embedded metaphor for the exponential transmissibility of viruses.

0:55.2

We just think like, oh, that blew up.

0:57.4

But of course, like it is a metaphor for the transmissibility of viruses and the fact

1:02.2

that they propagate at exponential rates.

1:05.3

And that idea, something going viral of an idea exploding through the world and through

1:09.9

the internet in this incredible exponential way, you know, traces back to a Malcolm Gladwell

1:14.8

article that's included in the tipping point book and has now become commonplace.

1:19.5

And I've been thinking about it a lot because a, it's one of those moments where you have

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