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Hello, everyone.

This is the Cheekies and Chill podcast, your favorite podcast where you come to learn to grow and to glow.

And one of the things that I like to do on this podcast is to explore topics about relationships.

We just had a really great conversation on healing from heartbreak with grief and couples

therapist Eva Latapie. And today we're going to talk about something our guest, Hope Woodard,

calls Boy Sober. She's a comedian, a storyteller, and a creator, and she's going to tell us

exactly what Boy sober means,

and why she thinks seeking male validation is a generational and societal issue.

Welcome to the show, Hope. I love your name, by the way.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. I love it.

Yes, I said to someone truly about an hour ago, I was like, like, Hope isn't lost.

And she was like, when you say your name, do you think of yourself all the time?

And I'm like, it is a hard thing. Yeah. Totally.

I probably would.

As a spiritual thing, hope is, I think, one of the better things to like hold on to spiritually.

Hope and grace are two of the best ones, especially right now.

In this administration, I'm like holding on to it. It's an important thing, you know.

Absolutely. It's what's going to get us through, guys. So I love it. My niece, her middle name is Hope, Jaila Hope. So we have Jala Hope. We have Jena V. Faith. We have Jordan Love and then Julian Joy. So my sister did all, you know. Yeah. So I'm like, it's really special to me. And talking about my nieces, because I think this is an episode that I want to share with them. They're young. One is about to be 16. I still see her as a baby. And the other one's 11 and I have another, I think, 11 year old. So anyway, they're young. But I think we need to talk about these things. The younger they are, the better. Because you're fairly young. How young are you? I'm 29. So... You're a young girl. I know I'm young. We are young. We are young.

Totally. I know. But like 29 does feel like I was working. I have a little like bartending job.

And a girl walked in the other day. And she had a shirt on that said like I've aged like fine wine and I was

like I love your shirt and she said I bought this when I was 21 and we both just like laughed about

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