Hey, friends, it's Kelly. Before we get into today's episode, I wanted to let you know that what you're about to hear is something a little different. Jay and I are tied up with other projects this week, so instead of our regularly scheduled programming, we're bringing you a sneak preview of a brand new podcast called Gods, Ghosts, and UFOs. This show is smart, witty, and deeply respectful of the mystery.

It doesn't just chase phenomena. It asks deeper questions about what they mean and why they

matter. I think it's going to resonate with a lot of you who already love Cosmosis.

The episode you're about to hear is a mix of things, so you can get a feel for what the show is like.

In the first half, I sit down with Jordan, Mallory, and Tom for a wide-ranging conversation about the shifting cultural narrative around UFOs and what it means to live through an ontological crisis.

In the second half, the hosts dive into the strange and fascinating story of an Alabama pastor,

whose brush with the unknown set off a chain of events that's still rippling out decades later.

We're sharing this episode on the Cosmosis feed to help get the word out. So if you like what you

hear, make sure to follow gods,, Ghosts, and UFOs wherever

you get your podcasts. You can also find it at God's GhostsuFo's.com, and the link is in the episode

description. All right, let's get into it.

All right, so the person I've come to trust the very most on the subject of UFOs is the woman who created the UFO rabbit hole podcast. I don't know of anyone who has managed to synthesize a more comprehensive perspective on this topic than she has, or who has developed a better sense of discernment to help cut through the, shall we say, bullshit. And she also happens to be

humble enough to probably hate this introduction, but too bad. Welcome to the show, Kelly. Hi,

everybody. How's it going? We're so happy you're here. Thank you. Oh, I'm so happy to be here.

Thank you. I know you've got nothing to do. You're sitting around. It's fine. You know,

just time to burn. This is great. I told Jordan, I try to minimize the number of times a week.

I have to do my hair. So when I'm, oh my gosh, preach. Kelly, let me, let me try to describe

you to yourself, like in a way, like as almost like an introduction. You're a relatively recent

newcomer to this whatever community. Yes. And it's based on an extraordinary experience you had. And my

understanding is that you began the podcast as a way of understanding it. Is that correct?

Yeah, that's absolutely correct. I've only been doing this for about a little over three years now, and it's been a wild ride.

So here's my question.

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