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Well, maybe in your marriage, you've been hopeless for a long, long time.

If so, our prayer is that this episode is a dose of encouragement.

I'm John Fuller, joined by Dr. Greg Smalley and his wife, Erin, who lead our marriage department.

And we're going to start off with a clip from Focus on the Family with Jim Daly.

Jim spoke with Josh and Katie Walters, and they have a remarkable story.

Their relationship almost didn't survive after Katie got involved in an extramarital affair.

But God did intervene, and here they are sharing how things turned around for them.

Let me ask you about the Grand Canyon.

Now, this is going to be funny, because I know where this is going.

I've read the story.

But so often, if we're listening to the Lord, man, he is speaking all the time.

Yeah.

If we can slow down and actually just see it. So you're on this trip to the Grand

Canyon. I think I think Katie's asleep in the car. She is asleep in the car. And then something

happens. What happens? Yeah. So we're driving up this long, narrow road with just huge, nothing but

trees on all sides of us. Nothing of this

resembled the beauty I was hoping for us to share together and seeing the Grand Canyon. We had just

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