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Hi Daniel, how are you?

Good, Glenn, thanks for having me on.

I really appreciate it.

Oh, you're very welcome.

This is Glenn Lawry at the Glenn Show, bloggingHits.

TV, and I'm with Daniel Bessemer, who's a professor at the Henry Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington.

He's a historian.

And we're going to do something a little bit unusual here at the Glenn show in fact instead of me interviewing

Daniel Daniel was going to interview me it'll be clear why in due course but for some reason or another he thinks I'm an interesting subject

in the intellectual historical studies that he's engaged in.

So I thought it might be entertaining for the audience of the Glenn show to hear me talk about

myself with Daniel's prompting and hear what Daniel has to say by way of

critical reaction. So Daniel I want to turn it over to you.

Thanks, Glenn. I just want to say, as I just said, I've been listening to you for a long time and it's really an honor and a pleasure to get to talk to you about these issues just to give people a bit of context of who I am.

I'm a historian of social science and a historian basically who explores intellectuals who

wanted to have an effect on both public policy and public discourse.

And of course you yourself are a major intellectual in that regard over the last 30 or even 40 years at 40 years at this point.

So I thought it would be interesting to interview you about that.

So as historians do, we like to start at the beginning. So you've mentioned a bit about your childhood on the years in blogging Heads that you've been talking on blogging Kids and I was just wondering

I'm sure you're going to save a bunch of this for your memoir, but when did

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