Today it's great to have Gleb Zeperski on the podcast. Gleb is the CEO of disaster avoidance

experts where he consults coaches and trains leaders on decision making and risk management

strategy. A cognitive neuroscientist and behavioral economist Dr. Zeperski has over 550 articles

and 450 interviews and prominent venues such as Psychology Today, USA Today, a fast company,

CBS News, Time, and elsewhere. He's also a best-selling author known for never go with your gut,

how pioneering leaders make the best decisions and avoid business disasters. His new book is

the blind spots between us, how to overcome unconscious cognitive bias and build better relationships,

available at disaster avoidance experts.com slash blind spots. He lives in Columbus, Ohio

and to avoid disaster in his personal life, he makes sure to spend ample time with his wife.

Very, very smart. That's probably your smartest decision. Thank you. Well, yes, definitely.

My smarter decision was to marry my wife and keep a really long relationship. How long has it been

already? It's been 17 years. Wow. That's been something that I value and treasure very much.

It's definitely the most important relationship in my life and in my life and the smartest one.

Smartest decision that I made. Yeah, of course. Well, that's really wonderful. Congratulations

to both of you. This book, this really cool book. When we, you hinted at this book idea,

when we spoke on the podcast a while ago and I remember, I don't know if you remember my

reaction was, whoa, who's, I've never seen a book on blind spots, research applied in the

relationships to being domain before. I'm especially with your message, which is don't always

trust your gut. A lot of these books in the hippie-dippy spiritual realm of love and free love,

all that stuff is saying, just go with the gut and you can't go wrong. But what's wrong with that?

Well, what's wrong with going with our gut and what these books really get wrong is that our gut

is really not adapted for the modern world. That's the big problem. So thinking about our gut,

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