Now, I'm not going to do a long rambling introduction, as I often do, for Gideon Levy.

He doesn't really need an introduction.

Haret's writer, extraordinarily courageous, morally courageous, Israeli journalist,

who has spoken the truth throughout the horrors, not just since 7th October, but long before then.

We've got so much to speak about.

Gideon, it's great to see you again. How are you?

Thank you, Warren. It's great pleasure to be with you again.

I just want to start, actually. It's been a while since we spoke.

And in that time, you could forgive, well, is that the right word?

You could see why the Israeli state is in a state of

triumphalism, that it will brush aside the likes of me and you who will rage against the

horror, the outrage, the criminality of its behavior, but look at the landscape, its enemies,

in chaos, in collapse, and feel a sense of vindication and

triumphalism. What do you think about that, that kind of, that, I mean, is that a fair

assessment of where they're at, I would say, but, and how much is that hubris or accurate?

It's a very good point, because after the fall of Assad in Syria, the point you raised now

is even much stronger because all of a sudden Israel and Netanyahu and the right winger

can present the whole role of achievements.

When they show, Hamas was beaten,

Hezbollah was beaten, now Syria is beaten,

Iran is the next one, Iran is much weaker already by now.

All the wars were justified.

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