Now Amnesty International, of course the International Human Rights Organization, its reputation proceeds it, has issued a devastating report which concludes that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people in Gaza. It's a exceptionally detailed, legally founded, legally precise document. It's very important to make that clear. I suppose

often those who have been apologists for the hideous onslaught against the Palestinian people have

attempted to almost suggest that genocide has been used as a kind of moralistic term, an imprecise

term, but this is about the law. It's about what the international law says.

It's about legal definitions and how that, of course, is reflected,

how that reflects the hideous suffering that the Palestinian people are currently suffering.

I'm really delighted to be joined by Christine Backel,

who is a lawyer, a researcher, who worked on this formidable piece of work,

which has just been released. And it's great timely because understandably, predictably,

this report has come under a huge amount of attack, including bad faith criticisms, which we can

very easily address. Christine, it's great to speak.

You're in a man in Jordan in the moment, are you?

Yes, and thank you very much for having me.

Great, see you.

I just want to start, actually, just with,

I just want to start, just get it over and done with, basically,

because the assault on this document

has focused on the idea that Amnesty International had to redefine

what genocide is in order to fit the evidence, basically, to come up with that conclusion.

Just explain what this bad faith criticism is really all about and why it's nonsense?

Yeah, you know, I will say before we released the report, I was so nervous because I knew that there was going to be a lot of attacks once it came out.

Like I knew that it was going to happen. I was so nervous there was going to be these really very difficult to respond to arguments.

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