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Decoder with Nilay Patel

Getty Images CEO Craig Peters has a plan to defend photography from AI

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.33.2K Ratings

🗓️ 5 October 2023

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Last week, when I was co-hosting the Code Conference, I got to talk with Getty Images CEO Craig Peters. The generative AI boom is a direct threat to Getty in many ways. For example, the company is suing Stability AI for training the Stable Diffusion model on Getty content — sometimes clearly including AI-generated copies of the Getty watermark — without permission. Getty's answer? Its own proprietary, in-house AI tool, trained — with permission — on its own content, using a model where the original creators can get paid. Getty's put some pretty strict guardrails around it for now, but, as even Craig told us, there's still a lot of work to do. Links: https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/21/23364696/getty-images-ai-ban-generated-artwork-illustration-copyright https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/6/23587393/ai-art-copyright-lawsuit-getty-images-stable-diffusion https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/25/23884679/getty-ai-generative-image-platform-launch https://www.theverge.com/23900198/microsoft-kevin-scott-ai-art-bing-google-nvidia-decoder-interview https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/section-230-the-internet-law-politicians-love-to-hate-explained/ https://www.npr.org/2023/05/18/1176881182/supreme-court-sides-against-andy-warhol-foundation-in-copyright-infringement-cas https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/26/23808184/big-ai-really-wants-to-convince-us-that-theyre-cautious https://journal.everypixel.com/ai-image-statistics https://www.npr.org/2023/05/22/1177590231/fake-viral-images-of-an-explosion-at-the-pentagon-were-probably-created-by-ai Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23667741 Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Amanda Rose Smith. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Our Editorial Director is Brooke Minters and our Executive Producer is Eleanor Donovan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to Decoder.

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I'm Neil Appetel, Editor in Chief of the Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas

0:39.2

and other problems.

0:40.7

We've got another great conversation from a code conference in the feed today.

0:44.2

This time it's my chat with Getty Images CEO Craig Peters.

0:48.0

Getty is one of the most important photography services in the world.

0:51.8

And as you might imagine, Craig and I talked quite a bit about the promise and peril of

0:56.1

generative AI when it comes to photography.

0:59.1

Craig was great on stage in a code.

1:01.2

He is direct in no nonsense about what AI can and can't do.

1:04.7

And I gotta say, we got right into it.

1:07.1

About a year ago, Getty banned users from uploading or selling AI-generated content.

1:11.7

At the same time, the company said it was concerned about copyright issues in AI, and

1:16.1

eventually the company sued Stability AI for training the stable diffusion tool on Getty's

1:21.6

photos.

1:22.6

Sometimes, stable diffusion was even generating Getty watermarks on its images.

1:27.0

But Craig doesn't want to completely stop AI from happening.

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