Welcome to For the Love Podcast with the best-selling author, Jen Hatmaker.

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Now here's Jen.

Hey guys, it's Jen Hatmaker.

Thanks for joining me this week on The For the Love Podcast.

This has been the most fun with you on here ever.

And we're in the middle of a series right now called For the Love of Moxie.

And Moxie is this word that I love and I took it from the title of a book that I just released,

called Of Mess and Moxie.

It's available everywhere. It just released about a minute ago.

And it's this idea of Moxie that I love, specifically with women, women who have demonstrated immense courage, aptitude.

They're building beautiful spaces or amazing ministries or companies or they're teaching us and leading us and really profound and important ways right now in our culture.

And so I wanted to put them in front of you so we can learn from them and talk to them.

And you guys today's guest is just, I don't even know.

I just don't even know what to say.

You're going to love this next hour. I'll tell you that right now because on the podcast today we have the incomparable.

Dr. Brane Brown. So I'm sure she needs no explanation, but I'm going to give her one anyway before we jump on the call here.

So Brane is a, she's a research professor at the University of Houston in the graduate college of social work.

And so she spent basically the last 16 years studying some really interesting subjects, specifically shame, courage, vulnerability,

vulnerability and empathy. I would say those are four things that we are in need of in today's world. So she's the author of three.

Number one, New York Times bestsellers, the gifts of imperfection, daring greatly and rising strong. I have read absolutely every word of every one of them.

They've influenced me so deeply. Her latest book is called Braving the Wilderness, the quest for true belonging and the courage to stand alone. And it is released this fall.

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